tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post1190355341950766539..comments2024-01-16T08:40:53.682+00:00Comments on <a href="http://www.openeurope.org.uk">Open Europe</a>: Clarke's loose talk illustrates Government's predicament on EU crime and policingOEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00556463374230498875noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-6902931208908583972013-02-01T18:31:38.324+00:002013-02-01T18:31:38.324+00:00Justice and Home Affairs covers criminal justice a...<br />Justice and Home Affairs covers criminal justice and policing, ie the power to put people in prison. This is the area of state "competence" with the power to exercise physical force over the bodies of the citizens. <br /><br />JHA is therefore the heart of state power. If a private person puts you in a prison, that is kidnap. If the State puts you in prison, that is "law-enforcement".<br /><br />Once this area has been definitively ceded, taking it back will be not just a political issue, but a military problem. <br /><br />There is Corpus Juris as Idris you say below, and there is also the European Gendarmerie Force, a continental-style European armed, paramilitary police force equipped for crowd control and the maintenance of "public order". <br />In continental countries the national "gendarmeries" act as a sort of internal army of occupation - a military force to be used against their own people. They are military, but they are categorised as "police", so we would think them relatively harmless, which they are not. <br /><br />The Treaty of Velsen requires the "agreement" of a member state for the EGF to be deployed on its territory. But once they are in the country, their only allegiance is to their masters in Brussels, so they would not leave if ordered by our Queen in Parliament, but only if ordered to by their own masters, who are not HM servants. <br /><br />In effect, we would be under foreign military occupation, for the first time since the Norman conquest.<br /><br />To avoid the above it is ESSENTIAL that we put maximum pressure on this government to make sure it does exercise the opt-out and repatriate the 130 JHA powers, and then not hand any of them back, certainly not the ones that involve granting the EU or the ECJ any power in this area. <br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-86545690822362128832013-02-01T15:23:04.984+00:002013-02-01T15:23:04.984+00:00In 1998 I was one of what the Teleghraph called &q...In 1998 I was one of what the Teleghraph called "a small number of concerned individuals" who forced into daylight the EU's Corpus Juris plan to force through a single legal system for the EU, inevitably based on the Napleonic "Investigating Magistrates" model, at the expense of our far better and safer (for defendants) common law, adversarial system.<br /><br />Everything we read now derives from that slowly slowly cathchee monkey effort to trash our system, and with it habeas corpus, jury trial, separation of powers system in favour of their own, explicitly allowing imrprisonment without charge for 6 months, extendable for three months at a time.<br /><br />If anyone here wants to live under such a system, with no jury as we know it, magistrates who both investigate and determine guilt or innocence, indefinite detention without trial, forced pleas of guilty because the prison term resulting is a lot shorter than waiting in jail for a trial - why do you not push off immediately to the Continent and enjoy it there, leaving those of us who believe in our system, developed over 800 years since Magna Carta, with its protection of the common man agains an over-mighty executive, here to live in peace and freedom?<br /><br /><br />iof<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />IDRIS FRANCISnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-56349177959031875982013-02-01T14:09:43.193+00:002013-02-01T14:09:43.193+00:00Does anyone fully understand any of this?Does anyone fully understand any of this?Denis Coopernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-44872462546588369212013-02-01T13:10:41.033+00:002013-02-01T13:10:41.033+00:00Out of the EUSSR.
Period.Out of the EUSSR.<br /><br />Period.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-4849214917358312013-02-01T12:38:38.705+00:002013-02-01T12:38:38.705+00:00Daft question Rollo, he is on BBC Radio 4 for exac...Daft question Rollo, he is on BBC Radio 4 for exactly those reasons. He is a loose cannon that needs to be stowed back in the hold before he does any more damage.Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07132057803097163797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-65801730014888062392013-02-01T12:21:05.541+00:002013-02-01T12:21:05.541+00:00This buffoon made a cock-up of everything he was i...This buffoon made a cock-up of everything he was in charge of. Why on earth is he given air-time? In what way would leaving the EU be a catstrophe? Would our 4Billion Pound Per Month trade deficit with the EU suddnely increase? When rats leave a sinking ship, they are the clever ones. To stay on board while it sinks would be the catstrophe.Rollohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18255460090580758354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-19901808743965992102013-01-31T17:31:00.577+00:002013-01-31T17:31:00.577+00:00I believe that if we opt back in to any of these m...I believe that if we opt back in to any of these measures - we are permanently giving up control of those matters to the EU, why would anyone want to do that? Cant we just co-operate with the EU on these matters. It's a proper stitch-up, this is how the EU works! Pathetic, where's Nigel Farage?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05164663365435838946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-51748891261541862682013-01-31T17:20:19.847+00:002013-01-31T17:20:19.847+00:00For several of the opt-ins probably also a possibi...For several of the opt-ins probably also a possibility to opt-in via a seperate agreement/treaty between the EU (representing the rest of..) and the UK. You keep the kangaroo courts out that way.Riknoreply@blogger.com