tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post1513071515836552781..comments2024-01-16T08:40:53.682+00:00Comments on <a href="http://www.openeurope.org.uk">Open Europe</a>: Theresa May to announce EU crime and justice opt-out this weekOEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00556463374230498875noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-45874969026593450252013-07-10T14:31:47.348+01:002013-07-10T14:31:47.348+01:00Announce, re- announce, then announce again,who kn...Announce, re- announce, then announce again,who knows? someone might believe youclinihypnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-20332366189690524452013-07-10T13:07:23.555+01:002013-07-10T13:07:23.555+01:00We should retain the complete opt out, certainly w...We should retain the complete opt out, certainly we should not even consider the option of handing power to make judgements to the foreign ECJ. If Cameron ne Blair wants us to stay in the eussr and thinks he can renegotiate our position this would be a start on the renegotiations opting back in would do the opposite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-78661732823413940862013-07-09T12:53:09.191+01:002013-07-09T12:53:09.191+01:00Given that both Theresa May and David Cameron are ...Given that both Theresa May and David Cameron are ardent and dedicated Europhiles, they will go for option 2 then, if and when they get back into power they will claim that a successful renegotiation and perhaps offer a referendum even though little or nothing has actually changed. <br /><br />Should they get an 'in vote', we can be sure they will immerse us ever deeper into the EU. Indeed Cameron has already done this without even discussing it with parliament, on one of his unannounced trips to his bosses in Brussels, just before Christmas last when he signed us up for joint military operations with the embryonic German lead EU army, modeled on the Weimar. <br /><br />clinihypnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-82890680927642995422013-07-08T16:23:20.841+01:002013-07-08T16:23:20.841+01:00"Significantly, and symbolically, it would be..."Significantly, and symbolically, it would be the first time that powers flowed back from the EU to the member states - which is a good thing."<br /><br />It's typical of the habitual duplicity of the Tory party that they try to misrepresent the exercise of an existing power under the EU treaties as being a repatriation of power.<br /><br />Cameron did much the same thing some time ago, claiming that he had repatriated the "bailout power", when there was no such "bailout power" to be repatriated; it was just other EU member states graciously agreeing that (for the time being) the UK would no longer be expected to participate in their illegal eurozone bailout schemes, except of course by committing more money to the IMF. <br /><br />As for the substance of this article: the UK government should exercise the power to opt out of the lot, and then exercise the power to stay out of the lot.Denis Coopernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-88409629332453612942013-07-08T13:10:37.237+01:002013-07-08T13:10:37.237+01:00Transfer of powers to say the EU (ones that are o...Transfer of powers to say the EU (ones that are or could be relevant in the eyes of the general public) should imho only be done when there is a real platform for them both politically (important political parties) as well as with the population.<br /><br />Basically in a way similar to the change requirements for constitutions often with qualified majority (say 2/3th). But less formal of course.<br /><br />If not you simply bump into problems when 51/49 turns into 49/51.<br />In this respect OEs option 3 looks by far the best one for the UK for any future cooperation. Preferably on a law by law basis and not as a package. Seperate laws make exit later much easier. Extremely relevant when the majority of popular support is marginally at best. Extremely relevant in the relation EU-UK as everything EUish lies very sensitive with the UK public. Plus if a fal back option exit has to be used it makes unwinding much easier.<br /><br />This is imho one of the key weaknesses of the EU set up. Topics have moved into those of the mainstream voter. But procedures have not adjusted to that. Meaning that if something is (or becomes) unacceptable for the population in one country you will have a huge potential problem at hand. As the only way is often complete exit.<br />The present system worked when the EU looked to be growing naturally and while dealing with less politically sensitive stuff. Those days however look to be over. In the present climate it could be dynamite. Say how would it deal with a Cyprus Euro exit. Basically it means art 50 has to be used unless all agree. Which is very unlikely in the present situation. Will be a huge mess.<br /><br />Another problem is that standards are not de facto standardized, only de jure. What I mean is rules are the same, but the implimentation and enforcement can still be completely different. Effectively the basis for the Euro problems. And for the immigration policy problems. And for lot of the legal (criminal law) stuff.<br />As topics have become closer to the public because of eg Lisbon the procedure should be reversed. Create same practical standards first and from there move to international cooperation ans that sort of things.<br /><br />The role of Ecourst is also very unproductive in this stage. It simply as standard procedure extend EU powers to the max. While btw the legislation was not drafted with keeping this in mind. Could lead to all sorts of unexpected consequences.<br />referably in any arrangement therefor imho the role of Ecourts should be minimized. Riknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-84795939541727213352013-07-08T12:44:36.881+01:002013-07-08T12:44:36.881+01:00It is said that all politics is local politics, I&...It is said that all politics is local politics, I'd say that all crime is local crime. Crime should be dealt with locally where possible, information regarding crimes and criminal can be shared across national borders and that is the way forward.<br /><br />It might well be the case that local police is underfunded but the solution cannot be to divert resources from the local police to some vanity-project supposedly dealing with 'international' crime.<br /><br />Why should the supra-national ECJ deal with local crime?Jespernoreply@blogger.com