tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post234759285254675367..comments2024-01-16T08:40:53.682+00:00Comments on <a href="http://www.openeurope.org.uk">Open Europe</a>: Open Europe offers you a date with the future: what can the UK achieve in talks over its EU membership terms?OEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00556463374230498875noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-70717744890051128752013-11-26T14:47:49.253+00:002013-11-26T14:47:49.253+00:00Jesper :
You wrote : "EU-institutions are th...Jesper :<br /><br />You wrote : "EU-institutions are the result of nations negotiations"<br /><br />No, they are not. They are the result of EU national government negotiations.<br /><br />Each respective government in the EU member states, especially our own in the UK, has not consulted their own people when handing over sovereignty to the EU. The EU has even asked member states not to consult the people via referendums - The Lisbon Treaty is a shining example.<br /><br />In my opinion, successive UK governments have gone off-piste and the gap between government and people is now a yawning gulf. Our democracy has been broken.<br /><br />This is in effect a coup d'etat and/or treason and I want to hold our "precious" politicians to account and then jail them.<br /><br />I and many like me just do not want to be governed by a bunch of unelected incompetents with an extremely poor track record.<br /><br />Free trade. No sovereignty.<br /><br />SCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-25813803856990843372013-11-26T14:07:30.257+00:002013-11-26T14:07:30.257+00:00Hi,
Will it be webstreamed? Sorry if I missed thi...Hi,<br /><br />Will it be webstreamed? Sorry if I missed this and it's obvious.G-Ponoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-71295786958916610602013-11-26T12:41:18.757+00:002013-11-26T12:41:18.757+00:00Will the "game" include invoking Article...Will the "game" include invoking Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, or not? Will the "game" consider the 'Norway Option'? This is the situation in which Britain would gain by being able to participate as a full member in UN agency negotiations - as Norway does so effectively now as a non-EU member - as opposed to our current lamentable position where the EU negotiates for us, yet the EU position is normally a 'common' position for all 28 EU members regardless of the fact that some member states' positions (& often the UK's position) are quite different from those of the EU majority? And will there be some genuine (as opposed to 'faux') euro-sceptics, such as Richard North of the EU Referendum blogsite, participating? Anything else would be a waste of time!Freedom Lovernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-9486612191246683632013-11-26T12:12:02.452+00:002013-11-26T12:12:02.452+00:00We are well past this sort of sillyness. The firs...We are well past this sort of sillyness. The first Anonymous comment was dead right. The people of the UK demand the right to walk away from this very expensive 'game'. Referendum now!Average Englishmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-8272682343362734252013-11-26T12:01:06.045+00:002013-11-26T12:01:06.045+00:00The preliminary question is how to get to a real r...The preliminary question is how to get to a real reneg scenario. Or better maximise the chance thereof.<br /><br />As said several times before the UK should make it clear that keeping the UK aboard is worth say 750 Euro per year per continental.<br />To the burocracy things like less money for pet projects (UK is nett payer), less civil servants even pro rata (as UK provides relatively few of them).<br /><br />Market risk. <br />Political contagion to other countries.<br /><br />Just to name a few.<br /><br />However Cameron communication strategy simply looks awful (like on several issues at 'home' btw, simply has big problems shooting a lame horse called Mr Ed).<br />OE gets much more continental media coverage than Dave and Co on this and much better targeted and a lot more consistent. And OE doesnot have a credibility problem. Riknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-77143014592026069212013-11-26T11:56:26.052+00:002013-11-26T11:56:26.052+00:00Interestingly but not surprisingly, there are no E...Interestingly but not surprisingly, there are no Eurosceptics in this Game.<br /><br />With no exception, including OE, the players are all Pro-EU all the way.<br /><br />What a surprising outcome it is going to have. No?christhaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05295016591612384314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-65499863409856695782013-11-26T11:26:12.325+00:002013-11-26T11:26:12.325+00:00When will the dunderheads in the HofC understand t...When will the dunderheads in the HofC understand that no negotiations about our membership can take place until we have given notice to quit under article 50. This game is pointless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-35648690984580689332013-11-26T10:12:01.374+00:002013-11-26T10:12:01.374+00:00EU-institutions are the result of nations negotiat...EU-institutions are the result of nations negotiations, allowing the EU-institutions to take part and, by the look of it, set the agenda/facilitate will give them significant power in deciding the outcome. <br /><br />If I wanted to keep things as they are then I'd:<br /><br />1. Ensure there are issues on the agenda that cannot be amicably resolved.<br />2. Ensure that most (if not all) of the available time was used to discuss the agenda items created under point 1 above.<br />3. When enough time has been wasted then I'd point out that positions are too far apart to be reconciled.<br /><br />Success!<br /><br />If I wanted change:<br /><br />1. Find areas where interests are aligned or at least not conflicted.<br />2. Put those things on the agenda.<br />3. Reconcile positions.<br /><br />Success!<br /><br />My take is that the given setup will lead to no change. Whether or not no change will lead to UK exiting the EU is uncertain, however, I'd doubt it.Jespernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-2095490711502552102013-11-26T08:31:48.146+00:002013-11-26T08:31:48.146+00:00Anonymous above has pretty well said it concisely....Anonymous above has pretty well said it concisely.<br /><br />There will be NO meaningful "negotiations" since only the EU dispenses the favours.<br /><br />In any event why negotiate? The EU has no democratic legitimacy, is not accountable to any of us, and to engage with it is only to endorse a living lie.graham woodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13104720099020515294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-73942648262608453452013-11-25T23:17:53.926+00:002013-11-25T23:17:53.926+00:00In short I have lost all interest in trying to ren...In short I have lost all interest in trying to renegotiate with a bunch of dictators who do not have our best interests at heart. <br /><br />I say to our politicians here in the UK that you have gone seriously off-paste in continually handing over our sovereignty to the EU and that you have undermined our culture and way of life and have damaged our country and the prospects of our children. GET OUT. <br /><br />I want a people's "Commission of Truth" convened immediately to hold you to account and jail you.<br /><br />No renegotiation - just give us our referendum. <br /><br />SCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com