tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post7648929058336961725..comments2024-01-16T08:40:53.682+00:00Comments on <a href="http://www.openeurope.org.uk">Open Europe</a>: Will the EU follow France into the Malian desert?OEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00556463374230498875noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-17373834427050801592013-01-24T15:52:07.967+00:002013-01-24T15:52:07.967+00:00It would appear we have an answer:
http://www.cons...It would appear we have an answer:<br />http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressdata/en/ec/134953.pdf<br /><br />"Our recent decision to launch an EU mission to train and advice the Malian army; our<br />support to the African-led mission to Mali against terrorists; and the swift response of<br />France and other EU members to Mali's request for aid - all bear testimony to Europe's<br />global role and responsibilities."<br /><br />Maybe this part is for the people in the EU institutions who refuse to compromise in returning powers to national parliaments:<br />"To agree on the budget, we all - and I stress the word "all" - need to compromise."Jespernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-17929760401190910952013-01-21T12:29:13.342+00:002013-01-21T12:29:13.342+00:00For someone as timid as Hollande, this is a giant ...For someone as timid as Hollande, this is a giant step for him to take. There is no doubt action needs to be taken: these islamic fundamentalists want to drag the whole world back to the dark ages. They have started where the modern world is at its weakest, and there, success is easy. They have routed the Mali army and taken over an arid desert the size of France, where they will impose Sharia law. Does this matter? Yes. It will become another failed-state-haven for other loonies which have gradually been driven out of Somalia and Afghanistan. It has nothing to do with the EU, which only looks inwards. But it has much to do with the French pride in the Francophone world. We should not let that distrcat from the importance of stopping the fundamentalists.Rollohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18255460090580758354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-70173850787663054902013-01-21T12:03:30.197+00:002013-01-21T12:03:30.197+00:00The UK already and unwisely "supports" t...The UK already and unwisely "supports" the USA in its foreign adventures, to allow ourselves to be dragged into conflicts that have been initiated by other foreign, albeit Eu governments would be incredibly stupid.. We cannot allow British Forces to be committed to war by the French Government or indeed any other.Bugsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12255836759626290185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-90640326682854667422013-01-21T08:48:51.988+00:002013-01-21T08:48:51.988+00:00I cannot see how the EUs involvement really does a...I cannot see how the EUs involvement really does a lot.<br />At the end of the day the main countries decide on what is best in their national interest and act on it like here.<br /><br />If France ever thought that being in the EU would automatically mean support for their (and not mutual) decisions it would be very naive.<br />As preparing it with support probably would take a few years this is the best it could hope for. The UK and US giving some sort of support.<br /><br />The danger, next to having no proper army in the whole of the EU except of the national armies of the UK and partly France, is that one step further we would get a Euro-style set up. What I mean is that you need something to act and members to contribute in (either financially or by not making a mess of it) but in practice (like with the EuroZone) it doesnot work that way.<br /><br />Seen the experience with the EZ and the fact that it would likely take several decade till a proper working system would have developed, it looks to me that as far as foreign policy goes, integration looks to be at its max or pretty close to that. Hard to see countries like France and the UK giving up national powers (on national security) and getting something dysfunctional in return. Certainly not after the experience with the Euro.<br />And you need an army to back it up and a real one. <br /><br />And having a completely incompetent person in charge of foreign policy is not very helpful either. But on the other hand might have avoided a lot of future damage. Would have been a disaster if the EU would have been further put on this map by now. And have Eurostyle problems. Not being able to go really forward and politically nearly impossible to reverse not working measures. Riknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-41589120882791259972013-01-18T21:01:48.139+00:002013-01-18T21:01:48.139+00:00This highlights the problem with having a 'Hig...This highlights the problem with having a 'High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy'. <br /><br />Diplomacy is about soft and hard power. Soft power is used through trade deals. Hard power is now on display - military.<br /><br />EU has a trade commissioner so the high representative not in control of trade.<br /><br />EU does not have a military (yet).<br /><br />The Baroness is highly paid but I can't see that she's done anything or even will do anything.<br /><br />The smaller nations in Europe used to have defense forces, now, it is more common to have expeditionary forces that are to be ready to be sent abroad to protect interests. I'm not quite sure whose interests are being protected here? 'War on Terror' has a bad name so now it is 'War on extremists'?<br /><br />France mistake isn't that they supported their friend in Mali, their mistake is their choice of friend. Their choice now was between being shown to be a fair weather friend or a friend in thick or thin. They chose to be seen as a true friend & choosing to do so MIGHT well have been the best out of two bad options. <br /><br />If the EU was about trade then it would be clear that the nations of the EU could stay clear of the mess. Now however: France will be defending the CAP-budget in the EU while simultaneously asking for military assistance from its member states. The two subjects should have NOTHING to do with each other and while I hope no elected leader would conflate the issues we now have an institutional set-up where we simply will not know if it is being done.<br /><br />The current institutional set-up simply can not continue.Jespernoreply@blogger.com