tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post1737981856469667826..comments2024-01-16T08:40:53.682+00:00Comments on <a href="http://www.openeurope.org.uk">Open Europe</a>: German public opinion hardens against Putin but business community still reluctantOEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00556463374230498875noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-61331698151716752462014-08-12T23:55:26.190+01:002014-08-12T23:55:26.190+01:00Die Welt appears to be moderating
anti EU comments...Die Welt appears to be moderating<br />anti EU comments quite strongly.<br />Where as Spiegel online gives free <br />rein and most comments in the last<br />few days has been pro RussianAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-82562721118634482332014-08-09T15:39:51.027+01:002014-08-09T15:39:51.027+01:00Probably a majority of the Germans are now pro san...Probably a majority of the Germans are now pro sanction and see Russia as the main culprit however you simply cannot conclude that from this poll (at least what is shown here).<br />When large companies are pro-sanction (at least say so) as now the situation is clear most of the time.<br /><br />People normally respond in this sort of situations with their underbelly.<br />Unjustice somewhere start a war kind of stuff. The real test is when the actual consequences of the own actions become clear.<br />There are simply no wars in which nobody but the bad guys die and there is no economic war without taking a hit yourself. And not all fall out is with your neighbour.<br />Hard to see that Europe will be pro economic war when that leads to a triple dip recession. And certainly not for a Kiev government which is as dodgy as the seperatists.<br /><br />Developments are clearly longer term pro-populists. Put 2 groups against each other of which one is represented by the mainstream parties without any alternative there. This is not about who has a majority for a certain issue. This is about alieating another group of voters (almost certainly combined with mismanaging the situation by the current crowd). Riknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-42189603008649282232014-08-09T15:24:48.086+01:002014-08-09T15:24:48.086+01:00The poll is published here:
http://www.infratest-d...The poll is published here:<br />http://www.infratest-dimap.de/umfragen-analysen/bundesweit/ard-deutschlandtrend/2014/august/<br /><br />Interesting to note that in another August poll published there, the Gaza conflict, they actually asked who they thought had the biggest responsibility. A question they did not ask for the Ukraine conflict, instead we're to rely on implied answers....<br /><br />The overwhelming majority believed both sides were equally to blame for the escalation in that conflict.Jespernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-27011053269149450952014-08-08T21:50:24.908+01:002014-08-08T21:50:24.908+01:00@OE,
As you know, a good poll will leave as littl...@OE,<br /><br />As you know, a good poll will leave as little as possible open for interpretation. <br /><br />You say that the implication of the polled answer is xxx<br />I say that the implication of the polled answer is yyy<br /><br />Someone else might say the implication is something completely different. In other words, the poll could have been designed a lot better.<br /><br />A badly designed poll will lead to bad data coming in. Bad data leads to bad conclusions. This poll, or at least the particular question, is so bad as to be almost useless. <br /><br />As for translating the first sentence of their article (for my benefit?): Thank you, but it was not necessary. I read German :-)Jespernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-43381799792567532122014-08-08T17:45:31.407+01:002014-08-08T17:45:31.407+01:00Hi Jesper, its true that exact phrase used is &quo...Hi Jesper, its true that exact phrase used is "a large share" but the implication is that this means they hold Russia primarily responsible - Welt wrote the poll findings up as:<br /><br />"The overwhelming majority of Germans believe Russia is the main culprit of the situation in East Ukraine."Open Europe blog teamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14748826686375312308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-31557705944762534652014-08-08T15:55:41.722+01:002014-08-08T15:55:41.722+01:00The google translation of the phrase from the news...The google translation of the phrase from the newspaper:<br />"80 Prozent sagen, Russland trage einen großen Teil der Verantwortung für die Eskalation der Lage."<br />comes back as:<br />"80 percent say Russia carry a big part of the responsibility for the escalation of the situation."<br /><br />Now, I suppose it depends on what the actual question was but the interpretation that the opinion is that Russia had the biggest responsibility is not what comes to my mind....<br /><br />How big is big? 50% of the responsibility? 20% of the responsibility? 80% of the responsibility?<br /><br />I suppose I'm yet again going to be accused of being an 'useful idiot' for asking for clarification :-)Jespernoreply@blogger.com