tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post5330852468393221910..comments2024-01-16T08:40:53.682+00:00Comments on <a href="http://www.openeurope.org.uk">Open Europe</a>: Britain is not about to get completely stuffed in EuropeOEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00556463374230498875noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-24320201918050545412012-11-22T17:46:46.641+00:002012-11-22T17:46:46.641+00:00The EU will not have to get around any UK veto bec...The EU will not have to get around any UK veto because Cameron will not use it. He will make a lot of noise and his friends in the press and media will big it up for him.<br /><br />He will return bearing a piece of paper in his hand and tell us it was game set and match.<br /><br />No one on his own side in the Commons will believe him but they will welcome him back like a war heri (he likes military associations).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-36995718251911249822012-11-22T11:46:39.662+00:002012-11-22T11:46:39.662+00:00At a time when we are facing cuts to all aspects o...At a time when we are facing cuts to all aspects of government spending, including 15% cuts to the armed forces in time of war, the money wasted on the EU should be cut by at least the same proportion, if not more. Cameron will come back claiming victory but the amount we end up paying will be more. The only real solution is to stop wasting every penny we send to Brussels, and to Get Oout of the EU.Rollohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18255460090580758354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-45268857138138208102012-11-21T13:21:13.588+00:002012-11-21T13:21:13.588+00:00Fully agree. If you get scared off every silly cou...Fully agree. If you get scared off every silly countermove you should leave the kitchen.<br /><br />There are 2 aspects to watch.<br />1. Get de facto other country support. If even hidden. For this legal stuff is great. especially the legal stuff originally drafted by overpaid drunken strawberries (like usually the case with EU law, well it looks like that anyway).<br />What I mean is. Eg a 26 budget gives so many legal issues that other countries can hide behind it. Like Merkel with her Constitution or the ECB with its rather strange interpretation of the no bail out clause (state financing). Probably non of the paying half really likes an increase. Give them them the opportunity to hide behind a legal clause (aka Cameron's back) and they will do it.<br /><br />2. This will be a battle for the hearts and minds of people. What I mean is voters will have to feel fine with things. Purely hypothetical if the UK population would feel great with the EU likely a budget increase would not be a problem, if they see them in a negative way, hard measures will have wide support.<br />In this respect the '26 budget' is the best thing that could happen to your Dave. Only the FT and an occasional wet rag will think it will work legally, but it gives the perfect image (for Cameron that is):<br />Burocratic Loose Guns (in practice more handbags or white flags of course) From Brussels. It furthermore will make everybody with a brain ask himself questions about the democracy element in the EU. Which is about time.<br /><br />They are hopeless at PR anyway (in their own survey Barosso got something like 2.5 out of 10). This is not only policies, but also the people doing it and how they do it. As well as the fact they are nearly everyday in the news with something basically negative the Euro. No one supports a club that is only losing and has problems with the umpire every game (except may be a few a bit alternative teenagers). You donot get a platform for policies to be accepted and/or implemented. <br />Riknoreply@blogger.com