tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post5480446580776812051..comments2024-01-16T08:40:53.682+00:00Comments on <a href="http://www.openeurope.org.uk">Open Europe</a>: Max Hastings: "I was wrong" about the EUOEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00556463374230498875noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-22263472762953102152011-09-20T13:24:03.264+01:002011-09-20T13:24:03.264+01:00On stating the consequences of our leaving the EU ...On stating the consequences of our leaving the EU Sir Max has once again fallen for the same old rhetoric pronounced by those set on saving their over salaried, over expensed and under employed members jobs echoed by the rapidly shrinking Europhiles generally.<br /><br />The fact is that there are two distinct sides to the European Adventure; on one hand we have the Political obsession to control all aspects life of every European country with its lies, deceits, obfuscations and avarice. On the other hand we have Trade and Commerce which, in reality, should benefit us all.<br /><br />All we have to do is to get out of Political Europe and revise and take forward and improve our trading relationship as promised by Heath back in the 1970’s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-23817562097702923652011-09-14T19:19:06.498+01:002011-09-14T19:19:06.498+01:00We should get out and take the hit; then we can mo...We should get out and take the hit; then we can move on.<br /><br />It has been forty years of agony and national decline as they have forced our economy to conform. We're like a square peg in a round hole. We can't even buy five pound of spuds.sceptic3https://www.blogger.com/profile/00184640723602775464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-32638899765020016692011-09-14T15:49:17.301+01:002011-09-14T15:49:17.301+01:00I don't think we should be too critical of Sir...I don't think we should be too critical of Sir Max for taking so long to reach this point. Like most of us he once thought the EU, in one of its previous names, was a "good thing". No doubt he has gone through the process of wishing the EU didn't make so many silly rules; realising that it was in the nature of the EU to do so: wishing there was more effective democratic answerability; and believing that the EU needed major reform to get it back on track. What he has not yet realised is that the people of the constituent states of the EU have more different cultures and interests than could be refined into a coherent democratic programme; that the EU cannot be substantially reformed as there are too many vested interests in the status quo; and the only solution is to leave the EU and to trust that those who predict catastrophe if we do so will be proved as wrong about this as they were when they predicted catastrophe if the UK left the EMU.<br /><br />Michael Bond.Michael Bondnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-24372198320755995602011-09-14T15:16:32.653+01:002011-09-14T15:16:32.653+01:00We pay civil servants to lie to us and if you had ...We pay civil servants to lie to us and if you had written to the government, in the last ten years, to ask for withdrawal from the EU, you would have been fed the same standard blarney: that 3,000,000 jobs depend on our membership of the EU; that 50% of our trade is with the EU; that the level playing field for our companies trading in the EU is an enormous benefit to the economy; that the majority of companies want to be in the EU, that we need the strength of the EU to succeed in the world of big players, China, Russia, Brasil, India. <br />We have a huge trade deficit with the EU so no real jobs, and no real trade would cease; Exports are only 10% of our economy and only 40% of this is exported to the EU; there is no level playing field (just try exporting an aircraft hangar to France); the companies polled were the FTSE 100, mostly internationals and far from most companies; and the last thing we need to compete world wide is EU immigration.Rollohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18255460090580758354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-59603823497798900402011-09-14T14:07:58.850+01:002011-09-14T14:07:58.850+01:00"...quitting Europe would engage us in a cris..."...quitting Europe would engage us in a crisis that would sap the entire energy and attentions of any British government for years." So what? Isn't that what we pay civil servants for? Mind you, they'd have to be closely supervised by a special govt office & minister. The Foreign Office for one is so deeply enmeshed in EU-co-operation that it would constantly do its anti-democratic elitist best to stymie the whole UK EU-withdrawal operation.<br /><br />Having said that, the sooner Britain withdraws from the EU, the better. Personally, I can't wait for our noble country Britain to be INDEPENDENT once again!Agincourtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-90375933973654213802011-09-14T14:07:33.915+01:002011-09-14T14:07:33.915+01:00So it's a disaster, but we have to stay in it!...So it's a disaster, but we have to stay in it!<br />Leaving would lead to 'lonely isolation' - oxymoronic - like poor impoverished and isolated Switzerland and Norway!Will Podmorenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36227136.post-62351832359781164722011-09-14T14:07:10.453+01:002011-09-14T14:07:10.453+01:00"...quitting Europe would engage us in a cris..."...quitting Europe would engage us in a crisis that would sap the entire energy and attentions of any British government for years." So what? Isn't that what we pay civil servants for? Mind you, they'd have to be very closely supervised by a special govt office & minister. The Foreign Office for one is so deeply enmeshed in EU-co-operation that it would constantly do its anti-democratic elitist best to stymie the whole UK EU-withdrawal operation.<br /><br />Having said that, the sooner Britain withdraws from the EU, the better. Personally, I can't wait for our noble country Britain to be INDEPENDENT once again!Agincourtnoreply@blogger.com